Rob and Trish Macgregor, Mystical Underground |558|

J Randall Murphy said:
Now we're just going in circles. You pose the Data question, I ask what the terms mean, you say a la Matrix, I identify where that leads, and you return to the Data question.
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Don’t miss this bus.
Re-read all my posts on this thread 10x if you need to.
You’ll never find a better premise upon which to demystify the concepts of spirit and higher-self.
 
Alex said:
Thanks, but I think you're being too generous to rob and trish. they wouldn't last a day on the forum :)
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You guys were arguing past each other and couldn't see it. They were right about pizzagate and you were right about it too. In other words, they both believed the literal claims were fabricated, and so do you ( I presume ), but they thought you believed they were literally true, when you were only making the case that the claims were real — which is different than them being true. The "gate" aspect for them was therefore not the same "gate" aspect for you ( which has something to do with undermining Hillary's campaign ).

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/10/business/media/pizzagate.html
 
Robbedigital said:
Don’t miss this bus.
Re-read all my posts on this thread 10x if you need to.
You’ll never find a better premise upon which to demystify the concepts of spirit and higher-self.
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Already rode that bus around the circle enough times. We're not getting anywhere. I don't know that we can get anywhere beyond this. All I can say is that either way ( avatars or not ) it makes no difference to the questions of function and meaning. This is what @Alex seems to be having a hard time seeing. I think that maybe you see it, but just like wrestling with it — hoping something new will shake out. Maybe it will. I don't know. I'm certainly open to the possibility.

So what advice would Picard give to data? I imagine he'd suggest that Data attempt to record the experience of his "higher self" on his neural net and ask Geordy in Engineering to have a look at it.
 
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J Randall Murphy said:
Already rode that bus around the circle enough times. We're not getting anywhere. I don't know that we can get anywhere beyond this. All I can say is that either way ( avatars or not ) it makes no difference to the questions of function and meaning. This is what @Alex seems to be having a hard time seeing. I think that maybe you see it, but just like wrestling with it — hoping something new will shake out. Maybe it will. I don't know.
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You didn’t even attempt to answer my initial question and it’s extremely simple:
How would Captain Picard advise Data if Data became convinced Data had a non-local higher-self, or a spirit?
 
Robbedigital said:
You didn’t even attempt to answer my initial question and it’s extremely simple:
How would Captain Picard advise Data if Data became convinced Data had a non-local higher-self, or a spirit?
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Sure I answered it: "So what advice would Picard give to data? I imagine he'd suggest that Data attempt to record the experience of his "higher self" on his neural net and ask Geordy in Engineering to have a look at it."
 
J Randall Murphy said:
Sure I answered it: "So what advice would Picard give to data? I imagine he'd suggest that Data attempt to record the experience of his "higher self" on his neural net and ask Geordy in Engineering to have a look at it."
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That’s what I’m talking about!!!
I would have never thought of that. Brilliant. I’ll probably need legitimately a day or so to respond to this.
Thank you
 
Robbedigital said:
That’s what I’m talking about!!!
I would have never thought of that. Brilliant. I’ll probably need legitimately a day or so to respond to this.
Thank you
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Yes — well, the thing is that when Geordy finds the anomalous engrams imprinted on Data's neural pathways and can't explain them, he'd probably suggest that he go talk to the ship's counsellor. Then Deanna would say something like "Data — It's not important what I think. Everybody has their own interpretations of such experiences. The important thing is what you think".

Then Data will look confused and say something like, "Thank you counsellor." and wander off, where he crosses paths with The ship's doctor, who has heard about Data's quest and has done her best to avoid him, but now she's trapped inside a turbolift with him, so she just smiles nervously and hopes she can manage to get away before Data can enlist her advice.

Just then the ship is struck by a blast from a rogue Romulan warbird, and all the power goes out, trapping Data and Beverly in the turbolift. When the emergency lights come on, Beverly sees that Data appears to have gone offline too, which is when Data has an OOBE, floats over to the Romulan ship, sees that their starboard nacelle has a crack that could cause a cascade reaction and a warp core breach — if only he could tell Worf !
 
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My initial impressions of the interview:

Rob and Trish seemed like rational enough people at the start, but then on certain topics they obviously couldn't handle it: e.g. Alex sensibly talking about one data set: sea level in Miami
Rob and Trish starting to freak out:
Rob: "Go talk to the polar bears!!"
Alex: "That's not scientific!"
Trish: "Yes it is!!!"

Lol. Clown world. And no matter how often Alex brought it back to a simple, easy to check data set, Rob and Trish didn't want to go there. Trish became extremely passive-aggressive by implying that Alex would die if he came to Miami. Is this because Trish is inherently a bad person? To what extent is it because she's the subject of propaganda/mind-control?
 
Interesting from a psychological perspective that Trish didn't seem to be able to differentiate between:
1. Whether or not she had a psychic experience,
and
2. how accurate/inaccurate that experience was as a prediction of the future
 
Also interesting from a psychological perspective how Rob and Trish KNOW that there's so much disinfo by the mainstream about consciousness, but they believe the mainstream narratives about so much else (e.g. covid jabs, anthropogenic global warming etc.)
 
There's one thing I disagree with you on Alex. That's on the environmental message reportedly so often given by ufo beings. That DOES appear to be a major pattern in interactions. Another major message is the dangers of a global war.
 
A case in point: imo this very trustworthy report, of a mass UFO being encounter at Ariel school in Zimbabwe:

See at the 7:10 timestamp on what the aliens were reportedly telepathically communicating to the children:
 
Just a further point that I found psychologically interesting from the Skeptiko interview:

Rob misrepresented pizzagate and called Alex crazy for believing it. Then when Alex called him on it, to explain himself, Rob tried to avoid going there. Such a weasel move. At least have the integrity to own that you made a mistake. Alex did a great job of holding him to the fire.

Fantastic to see the skeptiko dial being turned up like this. An entertaining and psychologically fascinating interview!
 
Nelson said:
A case in point: imo this very trustworthy report, of a mass UFO being encounter at Ariel school in Zimbabwe:

See at the 7:10 timestamp on what the aliens were reportedly telepathically communicating to the children:
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PS: just to clarify, the environmental message given to humans that's so often reported in UFO encounters does seem to be a real phenomenon. But how accurate/inaccurate this message given by the UFO beings is another matter.

As I see it, the aliens aren't trustworthy. If they were genuinely so concerned about the Earth's environment, why not spend a few days visiting dozens of schools around the world? THAT would give a clear message. But the small scale of visitation that they're really engaged in, and seeing the trauma on these children's faces when they're adults, bursting out crying because so many people said they were crazy. It's horrible to see

I don't think these UFO beings really have our best interests in mind
 
Robbedigital said:
That said, Rob and Trish are champs and they stood their ground honorably. I'll be happy if they come on again for round two, and if so I'm sure they'll come more prepared.
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It seemed more like NPC responses in psychological warfare. Seeming magnanimity can also be a tactic. That Trish in particular wasn't being genuinely magnanimous at the end of the interview is revealed by how she kept up the extreme passive-aggressive line that Alex would die if he came to Miami
 
Nelson said:
I don't think these UFO beings really have our best interests in mind
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And I thought I was cynical! :)

I think we may have good reason to be cynical where humans are concerned, but I’ll need more evidence before I lump all UFO beings as being as twisted as we are.

I don’t see the Ariel School as being reason to see a dark side to the event. Maybe a gentle warning via kids is just that?
 
Steve said:
I think we may have good reason to be cynical where humans are concerned, but I’ll need more evidence before I lump all UFO beings as being as twisted as we are.

I don’t see the Ariel School as being reason to see a dark side to the event. Maybe a gentle warning via kids is just that?
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I appreciate the push back Steve. I'd thought about the nature of the ufo phenomena a lot regarding intentions. The data from mythology, ufology etc. seems to show different factions of aliens. But like I said, I don't trust any of them. That's not the same as saying that they're all as twisted as the current human ruling class, but I don't see enough evidence that any of them are trustworthy
 
Steve said:
I don’t see the Ariel School as being reason to see a dark side to the event. Maybe a gentle warning via kids is just that?
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I still haven't looked in a lot of detail about this case, but heard interviews about it etc. In that video I linked to above, the one girl said that she had a nightmare afterwards that the aliens took her away. Then she woke up. Maybe it was just a dream, but it sounds eerily like an abduction account too...

And considering there are ufo beings that are so much more powerful than us, why all the secrecy in their activities but then some brazen encounters, such as at Ariel school? If you also believe the sincerity of these children in the video as I do, and then see them as adults, breaking down from the pressure of ridicule and ostracism. These poor people.

Considering the particular aliens at Ariel were so telepathic, I find it hard to believe these beings wouldn't have guessed the ridicule the witnesses would face. So why not take a few more hours from their day and visit some other places around the world?.... if their message of pending environmental disaster is so important to them...
 
And then there are vividly recollected abduction accounts, many of them horrifying. And there are the thousands of cattle mutilations...

The beings that do this come off as callous to me... Sadistic even. And in mythology, is there any nonhuman entity described that you would trust as being magnanimous towards humans per se?

I can't think of any. They all seem to have selfish/ulterior motives. Many of them appear to delight in giving false hope in their sincerity, only to betray the humans, causing confusion and even horrible consequences. Likewise with channelled entities in séances etc.

So those are some of the reasons I don't trust the beings in UFOs / channelled entities (whatever they are: one and the same or different "species" / levels of reality / factions)
 
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