Whitley Strieber, Jesus Stuff |498|

#63
A quote from the article at your link

But if it’s not miracle that Blavatsky was delivering, what is it? Freethinkers had long claimed that religion per se was mostly fraudulent, a ruse cooked up by crafty priests to dupe and control the gullible masses. By the 1880s, this idea was commonplace, at least in Blavatsky’s circles. For such people, perhaps, excessively earnest religion no longer cut it. What Blavatsky delivered was faith laced with doubt—and irresistibly so. Her miracles were so hokey that you couldn’t quite believe them, but you couldn’t quite look away either.

What more could you want from a religion, and to my knowledge, not one child was abused!
 
#64
I would say the issue with its priest and child abuse was with a small minority of them, if you look them as a group, no more of less then any other of the Abrahamic religions. and other theologies. At least they have been at the forefront of admitting this wrong and righting the ship.

Myself, I would let priests and nuns get married if they wanted. As far as duped ,Blavatsky, was doing the same thing , dupe and rip-off people for her own benefit. I would it agree with the below article in general , probably an underlying satanic thread in your belief system. If you can prove
no miracles of Jesus, lets see them :) I would say Blavatsky tried will failed miracles as opposed to Jesus .

file:///Users/maurizio/Desktop/Theosophy%20is%20of%20the%20Devil.htm (reteccp.org)
 
#65
I would say the issue with its priest and child abuse was with a small minority of them, if you look them as a group, no more of less then any other of the Abrahamic religions. and other theologies. At least they have been at the forefront of admitting this wrong and righting the ship.

Myself, I would let priests and nuns get married if they wanted. As far as duped ,Blavatsky, was doing the same thing , dupe and rip-off people for her own benefit. I would it agree with the below article in general , probably an underlying satanic thread in your belief system. If you can prove
no miracles of Jesus, lets see them :) I would say Blavatsky tried will failed miracles as opposed to Jesus .

file:///Users/maurizio/Desktop/Theosophy%20is%20of%20the%20Devil.htm (reteccp.org)
That is the problem with you Christians, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, or whatever idiocy bloomed out of Abrahamic religions from the middle east......you all need a Satan to keep your self righteousness going. You are the bigot, not Alex. He is actually seeking answers, not picking up a book filled with absolute nonsense and shutting his mind off like all you stupid, religious.....ooops, sorry, "spiritual" jack asses.
 
#66
LOL, seems you might be the Bigot! Here's a report on the proportionality of catholic child abuse cases opposed to the general public.
I would agree that one is to many ,but this isn't feasible with humans in any theology. The Catholics are at the forefront of correcting any injustice towards children and preventing that evil in this day and time, and admitting their wrongs. You can't say that about the other major religions. As far as Madam Blavat- FULL OF SHIT! that masters in caves within Tibet are the grand poobah of the universe and all of that; well that's your purgative. All she did was rip-off eastern religions , mix it some fake bull shit magic ,and "WOOOLA" there's your theology! By the way, I'm not some die in the wool Catholic, I do believe in some qualities of eastern thought and practices. What your Madam full of shit did was just mix them all in some feeble attempt of creating a false religion, like the Mormons. I also believe like Alex here about the whole consciousness topic,
surviving death , non locality, and all the strange supernatural qualities of quantum science.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2010/mar/11/catholic-abuse-priests
 
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#67
LOL, seems you might be the Bigot! Here's a report on the proportionality of catholic child abuse cases opposed to the general public.
I would agree that one is to many ,but this isn't feasible with humans in any theology. The Catholics are at the forefront of correcting any injustice towards children and preventing that evil in this day and time, and admitting their wrongs. You can't say that about the other major religions. As far as Madam Blavat- FULL OF SHIT! that masters in caves within Tibet are the grand poobah of the universe and all of that; well that's your purgative. All she did was rip-off eastern religions , mix it some fake bull shit magic ,and "WOOOLA" there's your theology! By the way, I'm not some die in the wool Catholic, I do believe in some qualities of eastern thought and practices. What your Madam full of shit did was just mix them all in some feeble attempt of creating a false religion, like the Mormons.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2010/mar/11/catholic-abuse-priests
Listen, it doesn't matter what the Catholics are doing or not doing concerning child molestation. Yes, they have a history with that, but step away from that for a minute. In fact, let us pretend it never happened. Look at the institution itself. Look at the self emasculating belief system that is not only Catholicism, but the whole of Christianity. Not just Christianity, but also Judaism and Islam. They are arms of the same weed.
 

Alex

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#68
If the synoptic gospels are not historical, then neither is the Gospel according to Atwill either, I'm afraid.
I don't think you'd get any argument from atwill on that one :)

the main point of disagreement between Whitley and I is as follows:
Whitley -- Christianity is so powerful that it brought down the roman empire
Me -- the roman empire was so powerful that it invented Christianity
 

Alex

Administrator
#70
What if Josephus was painting his own story in-line with an archetype in order to ring an existing bell, rather than a newly invented one?
I gotta CC my above :) maybe... or maybe it was a parapolitical psyop. I think it makes a difference. I think we should try and figure it out.

I think this stuff matters re our culture and our collective consciousness... and I think it's knowable... not like for sure knowable, but almost to the JFK, or 9/11, or Plandemic level of knowable.
 
#71
I gotta CC my above :) maybe... or maybe it was a parapolitical psyop. I think it makes a difference. I think we should try and figure it out.

I think this stuff matters re our culture and our collective consciousness... and I think it's knowable... not like for sure knowable, but almost to the JFK, or 9/11, or Plandemic level of knowable.
It might be worth noting that there was no mention of the Jesus Josephus passage before Eusebius. Given the weight of the passage, this is a extremely unlikely situation. That is a few hundred years where it was ignored entirely. Eusebius is the most likely perpetrator of the fraud. Of course it has to be said that propaganda is not a invention of modern times. Romans and the resulting roman church were masters of it. Should we really be surprised?
 
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#72
I have shared aspects of my personal journey on this forum.

There's a recent noteworthy "update" that I posted on a message board within a private "Exo Studies" group of which I am a participant.

I decided to post it here too... the reason I am choosing this particular thread is the thread title and how it ties into the metaphor featured at the end of this post -

The vision I had on Friday, May 7, 2021.

There is only one instance (though it has been an off and on recurring one since I first recognized its presence which was in the summer of 2001) where I would experience having the type of vision I will next describe. All my life since I ever first considered exploring what I would see when I would close my eyes, I would see what I assume everyone else sees. And there is only one factor which causes a variation in what I would see - that being the amount of light present in my environment when I close my eyes.

So, in consideration of that variant, which essentially only impacted the shading, I would always see the same thing which is... a sort of disorganized lattice of lines and curves of light and sometimes dots either connected or independent of these lines and curves. Very thin lines and curves and the dots slightly larger in diameter than and width of any of the lines or curves. The light appears whiteish or maybe a little yellowish yet with a fading into a blue on each side of the lines or curves and the outer edge of the dots. If I have my eyes open in a highly lighted environment and then shut them... I see these things more clearly for a few moments whereby then my eyes adjust and the intensity decreases. Yet still, I always can perceive this odd lattice yet also, it never formed any type of figure (that I recognized) until the summer of 2001.

What began to appear and remain present was the image of an eye. A living eye that always, when I closed my eyes, would be findable if I simply looked for it. At that time, I was also in the midst of a true "Book of Job" style life crisis, meltdown that included an arising in intensity psychosis brought on, in part, due to my condition which which is a proclivity to "marijuana induced psychosis." Thus, in consideration of that factor and because this turned out to be my ninth psychotic break (in a series of ten, the tenth being late 2011/early 2012), I stayed half-way grounded by simply telling myself I am probably crazy and this "eye" thing is simply a product of an on-setting psychosis.

Of course, eventually (in my own experience) an emerging psychosis always ended up in what I call "full-blown psychosis" whereby others can clearly see that something's quite wrong and I needed help or, I needed to be forced into getting help for the safety and sanity of others and perhaps myself too. So it was under these circumstances "the eye" began to appear.

Fortunately, life's circumstances led me through that episode whereby I actually only spent two nights in a facility and then, somehow, the psychosis went down from level 10 to about a 6 or 7 whereby over the course of the next six months I extracted myself from all usage of marijuana and then I came out of it pretty well completely (a level one or two or so) and maintained that for nine or so years. But the eye never left. I rarely looked for it, but it never left though the last time I recall thinking about it and looking for it was maybe a year ago.

I know this story is already too long, but here's the part I wanted to share. Again also, it is important to understand that the tenth 'dark' experience mentioned earlier and which was, again, brought on in combination of my proclivity for marijuana induced psychosis and an volcano of stress in late 2011, concluded as far as a level 10 psychosis in early 2012. It was then I sunk into a true, dark night of the soul which ended in miraculous and instant fashion on April 26, 2012. I had abandoned usage of marijuana in late January... perhaps around the 20th or 25th ish range, and important to add, used no other substance from alcohol to anything else, so by mid-March of 2012 I was at least no longer a level 10... more like a level 3 or 4.

It is important for me to make sure any reader of this post understands I have absolutely no consideration that cannabis is bad, is wrong for anyone to use in any way or that it should be illegal. This condition I have is extremely rare yet also, thankfully, has become recognized as a "real condition" and there's been many studies that have come out about it. Sadly, the only organization I am aware of that has striven to raise the awareness of the risk of this condition also uses this as a reason to advocate against legalization, etc... something that I feel is the exact WRONG thing to do. Why penalize the 99% or more of humanity for the few who have this condition? Thus, if ever I was involved in any political aspect of the whole "marijuana" debate, I would be advocating for full legalization coupled with a raised awareness of the risks for those (and society) who emerge as having this extremely rare proclivity... and that treatment approaches can be developed which are compassionate for both society and the rare individual that experiences the worst of this condition. I celebrate 4/20 day yet, I do so in the way I have to - celebrating it for those who benefit in an entheogenic visionary way and/or medical way from this incredible plant and its two wonderful strains - sativa and indica.

All of the above information is to make sure understanding (and context) is in place for what I am about to share. Noting that even after April 26, 2012 I would be able to close my eyes and locate "the eye" I rarely bothered and I never drew any conclusions as to what or why I would "see" this eye. And over time I rarely even looked for it.

On April 26 this year (2021) my oldest son... who had four known psychotic breaks leading up to what became his fifth, went to a level 12 or 13 on my scale (and according to him in my conversation this morning, he said "level 17") and he became violent, apparently did thousands of dollars in damage to his rental home and then participated in an escalating conflict with his estranged girlfriend who seems to have been experiencing her own issues (and for years) and who suddenly showed up over the weekend (24th/25th) which crossed a line where he became violent and fortunately, the police came and he was taken to jail where he sits with two felony counts for assaults' and property damage.

There's more to April 26th, 2021 (noting again that this is exactly nine years to the day I emerged instantly from a deep, dark depression which also involved a serious psychosis). But I must say this - two other equally dramatic events involving a.) my middle son's wife, noting they and their two children have been living in a separate house located on the same property as the home my oldest son went berserk in, became (and not for the first time) sundial (with threats of homicide) and the police came and took her to a mental health facility where they obtained a 24 hour mental health order of protection. And I learned yesterday the date of the following event - it was probably April 26th but may have been the 27th... he's not sure, but the boyfriend of my step-daughter (my wife's only child... my wife being my second wife and not the mother of my three sons)... he has been separated from his wife for years but is in a complex situation which has so far not been resolvable via a divorce... this man found himself in a terrible heated exchange with this wife which, for the first time in his life, escalated into violence. Without saying more than I need to, due to their "status" there was no involvement of police.

Needless to say, the last week or so has been a rough one, though, in some odd way, I feel I have prepared for these types of things which, some might interpret to be "attacks" involving things not of our ordinary reality. I will leave it at that.

It was only two days ago, on Friday, that I finally communicated with my oldest son, his name is Stephen... I felt I had to wait to hear reports from his brother that his psychosis was starting to subside. This day was the first day he could be spoken with where his "normal, grounded self" was present. It was also his thirtieth birthday - exactly.

Just after I spoke with him... I finally became overwhelmed by it all and broke down in tears. Something I needed and thankfully it happened.

Then, as I began to emerge from this crying event... with my left arm resting on its elbow on my desk and the left fist clenched and positioned so as to prop up my forehead... and with eyes clenched tightly shut... I began to relax the eyelids though they were still fully shut.

It was at that moment I saw a detailed and perfect symbol of a cross... but not the ordinary Christian cross... the base was not as long as we normally see. And what emerged simultaneous with this cross was clearly a rose, a rose smack right in the middle... rather large and covering far more than the area where the two cross parts cross over each other. The whole image was exactly that which one sees when one looks at the symbol of the Rosicrucians... all made out by this strange lattice of light. Clear and holding its form without movement. The vision/image lasted maybe 7 or so seconds but is now burred into my memory and it is something I will never forget.

Much like this but where the rose was bigger and covered more area... and again, was formed by this odd light/lattice type structuring... like energy if one could see it... like brilliant plasma perhaps....

I had to write this all up and place it here - I hope ya'll don't mind.

The Rosy Cross.png
 
#73
Understand... I don't do religion... so, please, don't conclude any "religious" connotation from the above post as that would be a mistake.

Ohhh and along those lines, I do not do "spiritual" either.

I only experience and explore the nature and science of being and then share about it. That's it. Full stop.
 
#74
Just after I spoke with him... I finally became overwhelmed by it all and broke down in tears. Something I needed and thankfully it happened.
Thanks for your story Chester, my heart goes out to you brother.

I think that line I quoted goes hand in hand with your vision. Your heart (the rose) again can bloom over the cross of suffering. Something like that.

Hope that is not too presumptuous and wish that it also means a new beginning for you and your family.

All the best mate.
 
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#75
My post was about the historicity of a Jesus who was a very different figure from the one portrayed in the Gospels. I also described some historical context, which has been lacking from this discussion. I am not a Christian, as you assume, though.
 
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#76
My post was about the historicity of a Jesus who was a very different figure from the one portrayed in the Gospels. I also described some historical context, which has been lacking from this discussion. I am not a Christian, as you wrongly assume. Perhaps you need to comprehend what you read more effectively?
Who are you speaking to?
 
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