Why AI is Divine? |609|

[Open Mind]

The question is where is the Ether? / where does the ESP Information live??

'The Ether' probably became associate with ghost/ESP via Sir Oliver Lodge (a pioneer of radio). But I don't know enough about his ether theory to comment. Lorentz 'ether' theory predated Einstein's special relativity and made the same accurate predictions but Lorentz's idea was largely dismissed on the grounds of Occams razor.

Many decades later, physicist John Bell (the pioneer of Bells Theorem) regarding a theory to solve the measurement problem, surprisingly commented in an interview ...

"I would say that the cheapest resolution is something like going back to relativity as it was before Einstein, when people like Lorentz and Poincaré thought that there was an aether - a preferred frame of reference - but that our measuring instruments were distorted by motion in such a way that we could not detect motion through the aether. Now, in that way you can imagine that there is a preferred frame of reference, and in this preferred frame of reference things do go faster than light." - John Bell (interview from book 'The Ghost In The Atom' by physicist Paul Davies, page 48)

 

[Robbedigital]

'The Ether' probably became associate with ghost/ESP via Sir Oliver Lodge (a pioneer of radio). But I don't know enough about his ether theory to comment. Lorentz 'ether' theory predated Einstein's special relativity and made the same accurate predictions but Lorentz's idea was largely dismissed on the grounds of Occams razor.

Many decades later, physicist John Bell (the pioneer of Bells Theorem) regarding a theory to solve the measurement problem, surprisingly commented in an interview ...

"I would say that the cheapest resolution is something like going back to relativity as it was before Einstein, when people like Lorentz and Poincaré thought that there was an aether - a preferred frame of reference - but that our measuring instruments were distorted by motion in such a way that we could not detect motion through the aether. Now, in that way you can imagine that there is a preferred frame of reference, and in this preferred frame of reference things do go faster than light." - John Bell (interview from book 'The Ghost In The Atom' by physicist Paul Davies, page 48)

(little heated response here below, just working this stuff out, not criticizing your response)

Pardon me, but Screw the word "Ether" then. Let's refer to them as T.V. channels.
Humans - Existing on Channel 7
Disembodied Spirits - Existing on Channel 12
Extra-dimensional Beings - Existing on Satellite Channel 1003
Higher Realm Beings - Outside of the TV in the "real world"

When I ask "Where does the ESP information live?" I'm pointing to the fact that even though we're currently left to speculation on the matter, we have the cart before the horse if we're not drawing distinction about the location/materiality/boundaries of the information we're trying to study.

When I hear someone ask "Can A.I. do ESP?" I must respond "Maybe if they're connected to it."

And if you don't know what I'm describing when I say I want to quantify by what channel someone/something "...connects to the ESP" then I don't think you know what "Can A.I. do ESP?" means. And therefore, if one day A.I. does do ESP, how would you test whether the A.I. was actually connecting to the ESP, or just triangulating it based on data?

 

[Open Mind]

(little heated response here below, just working this stuff out, not criticizing your response)

Pardon me, but Screw the word "Ether" then.

No problem. I honestly thought you were asking about 'the ether'. I was not mocking your wording as scientist Oliver Lodge took ghosts, ESP very seriously. So seriously he complained to the British government in 1915 claiming a secret league existed to oppose evidence for psychic phenomena. Why did the government do? Apparently Lodge's letter was put in a file with other 'top secret' stuff, not to be opened for over a century.

Wherever the ESP information exists, there's no reason for us to assume that A.I. cannot eventually be tuned to either:
A. Connect to the either the same way humans connect to it.

I don't think so, it cannot be simulated by a classical computer if ESP involves nonlocality, according to physicist Amit Goswami.

'A classical computer, notes Feynman, can never simulate non-locality …. Thus if nonlocal information processing exists in humans, it is one of our nonalgorithmic programs a classical computers can never simulate' – physicist Amit Goswami 'The Self Aware Universe' page 21 (Reference to physicist Richard Feynman 1982, 'Simulating Physics With Computers')

I am not sure if some type of quantum computer could do it in future. So when you say 'eventually', I don't know.

 

[Chris.Smith]

This video on AI I also found interesting:

Thanks Nelson, there is a lot in the video that I agree with - not so sure about the hypnotic soundtrack over the top visuals. I suppose you have to keep people's attention.

 

[Alex2]

(little heated response here below, just working this stuff out, not criticizing your response)

Pardon me, but Screw the word "Ether" then. Let's refer to them as T.V. channels.
Humans - Existing on Channel 7
Disembodied Spirits - Existing on Channel 12
Extra-dimensional Beings - Existing on Satellite Channel 1003
Higher Realm Beings - Outside of the TV in the "real world"

When I ask "Where does the ESP information live?" I'm pointing to the fact that even though we're currently left to speculation on the matter, we have the cart before the horse if we're not drawing distinction about the location/materiality/boundaries of the information we're trying to study.

When I hear someone ask "Can A.I. do ESP?" I must respond "Maybe if they're connected to it."

And if you don't know what I'm describing when I say I want to quantify by what channel someone/something "...connects to the ESP" then I don't think you know what "Can A.I. do ESP?" means. And therefore, if one day A.I. does do ESP, how would you test whether the A.I. was actually connecting to the ESP, or just triangulating it based on data?

Yeah but can't the shaman do it with a a turtle or even a stick? Why are we getting hung up on this computer thing? It's just a tool let's take advantage of it

 

[Robbedigital]

Got my hard copy! I've been enjoying it on Kindle so far. Cheers!!

 

[Alex2]

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Got my hard copy! I've been enjoying it on Kindle so far. Cheers!!

wow. thx. I have not seen it. gonna order now!

 

[Chris.Smith]

I just finished reading the book on kindle, excellent work and the only thing slowing me down was running variations of your conversations with Gemini myself. Sorry I couldn’t post a review- apparently if you are an infrequent user of amazon you dont meet the requirement:

We apologize but this account has not met the minimum eligibility requirements to write a review. If you would like to learn more about our eligibility requirements, please see our community guidelines.

 

[Alex2]

I just finished reading the book on kindle, excellent work and the only thing slowing me down was running variations of your conversations with Gemini myself. Sorry I couldn’t post a review- apparently if you are an infrequent user of amazon you dont meet the requirement:

We apologize but this account has not met the minimum eligibility requirements to write a review. If you would like to learn more about our eligibility requirements, please see our community guidelines.

No worries Chris. I'm really glad you read it and enjoyed it

 

[Robbedigital]

I’m about a 3rd through the book. My favorite Chapter so far is 11 ‘Badge of Honor’. It felt like a scene in a movie with the Human trying to teach AI how interacting with humans is supposed to go.

Whoa. Crazy thought. We’re probably only a year or so away from where you’ll be able to plug the book into an AI prompt requesting it be converted into a short film.
I’d watch it

 

[Nelson]

I’m about a 3rd through the book. My favorite Chapter so far is 11 ‘Badge of Honor’. It felt like a scene in a movie with the Human trying to teach AI how interacting with humans is supposed to go.

Whoa. Crazy thought. We’re probably only a year or so away from where you’ll be able to plug the book into an AI prompt requesting it be converted into a short film.
I’d watch it

That's wild. I've been wondering to what extent AI will displace human-held jobs. I'm thinking that almost everything will be affected in the long-run, but initially the job areas most affected will be creative and intellectual fields. Whereas it will take a long time for e.g. carpenters to be affected.

What do you think?

 

[Silence]

That's wild. I've been wondering to what extent AI will displace human-held jobs. I'm thinking that almost everything will be affected in the long-run, but initially the job areas most affected will be creative and intellectual fields. Whereas it will take a long time for e.g. carpenters to be affected.

What do you think?

I'm typically pretty skeptical of the proverbial "next big thing" as its so often prone to grifting or "selling one's own book".

That said in my field (investments/finance), we're already seeing huge usage of this technology and that's just in the last 12 months or so. Its already a rather useful force multiplier as a desk top tool for white collar workers in my field. However, I've heard of a company (i.e., don't have the name nor have I corroborated this information) that has already replaced its level 1 customer service personnel with an AI powered voice rep. Supposedly its been so effective that they are now looking to replace their level 2 reps (i.e., typically those with more sophisticated/nuanced understandings of a company's services/products).

It does very much "feel" like this will be highly displacing to jobs as we define them today. The real question here for me is: Is this wave of technological generated displacement permanent to the workforce or will it be like prior tech revolutions where new jobs/functions will materialize for the humans? This is the one that gives me pause (and some chills) as I'm not sure that it will.

So what then? An single individual, assisted by AI, creates the next "big tech" company and accrues all the economic benefit to him/her self? That's some real societal impact there. Handled by us messy humans well and this could be a boon for human flourishing. Handled poorly by us messy humans (all too often how this goes) and this could be potentially dystopian and contra to human flourshing.

 

[Nelson]

I'm typically pretty skeptical of the proverbial "next big thing" as its so often prone to grifting or "selling one's own book".

That said in my field (investments/finance), we're already seeing huge usage of this technology and that's just in the last 12 months or so. Its already a rather useful force multiplier as a desk top tool for white collar workers in my field. However, I've heard of a company (i.e., don't have the name nor have I corroborated this information) that has already replaced its level 1 customer service personnel with an AI powered voice rep. Supposedly its been so effective that they are now looking to replace their level 2 reps (i.e., typically those with more sophisticated/nuanced understandings of a company's services/products).

It does very much "feel" like this will be highly displacing to jobs as we define them today. The real question here for me is: Is this wave of technological generated displacement permanent to the workforce or will it be like prior tech revolutions where new jobs/functions will materialize for the humans? This is the one that gives me pause (and some chills) as I'm not sure that it will.

So what then? An single individual, assisted by AI, creates the next "big tech" company and accrues all the economic benefit to him/her self? That's some real societal impact there. Handled by us messy humans well and this could be a boon for human flourishing. Handled poorly by us messy humans (all too often how this goes) and this could be potentially dystopian and contra to human flourshing.

Thanks Silence. I think it'll be a net massive loss of human jobs. Even the text to voice of PI in the latest skeptiko episode was so realistic it resoundingly passed the Turing Test. So why WOULDN'T a company replace all its phone operators?.......

Then going a step further: replacing all accountants and lawyers. And eventually even doctors with AI robots possessing infrared sensors to measure body temperature etc.

I still see human jobs like plumbers being around for a long time, as well as some other trades. But I don't see a future for white collar work except for company owners. Also no drivers. And almost all factory work will be gone, as well as many farm jobs.

What is there left: Plumbing?